I grew up in churches. Titus 1:16, They claim to know God, but they deny him by their actions. In the beginning of the article, you criticize and say you didn’t care for his church. I did not hear him slander people in his old church for not using their gifts. After every comment on here, you refuse to listen to other brothers and sisters in Christ, constantly defending and arguing your position as if you are ALWAYS right. “You are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord” (1 Cor. He is painting with a broad brush – what each of us do when speaking of general concerns in a particular movement … like the discernment crowd tends to do when stating their opinion of almost any group outside of their own. Hold strong on the narrow path, seek truth and courage to face it when it unfolds.”, The Roman Catholic Church Exposed | NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) Movement Exposed, Che Ahn, John and Carol Arnott, Heidi (and Roland) Baker, Mike Bickle of IHOP in Kansas City, Stacey Campbell, Randy Clark, James Goll, Cindy Jacobs, Rick Joyner of Morningstar in South Carolina, Bill Johnson and Kris Vallotton of the Bethel Church in Redding, California, Patricia King, Chuck D. Pierce, Dutch and Tim Sheets, and Brian Simmons, Prophetic Frauds Galore! Let it go and Let God be God. No, I am not a pastor. ———————————————————— That is not how a spiritual leader is to make a decision. Required fields are marked *. I am not talking about the “church in America.” I am talking about Cornerstone church in Simi Valley where Francis pastored several years. the issue is that Francis Chan discredited and misrepresented his former church in a public way, and to non-believers. Especially stuff that is not true given that I happen to know a lot of the people he claims aren’t spirit filled and using their gifts. In the end He wins, in the end if Chan was in the wrong and he didnt do anything to correct his actions then let God be the avenger, who else does it best but GOD!??? God says in Proverbs 11:14: For lack of guidance a nation falls, but victory is won through many advisers. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. He did not say OK when I leave you Peter will lead and by the way wait till you meet Paul. Or calling them to repentance publicly in a letter thats been written for some 2000 yrs. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. my 2 cents.

If you feel that convicted about it your FB page and website have the publicity/recognition to address this directly with him instead of gossiping and stirring up the water. I’m just sitting there scratching my head like, “How is being prepared in the modern world displaying a lack of trust in God’s provision?”. If he does not answer get more people to reach out to him.

If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? If it is not for the body to correct errant members, then whom? Grow up. I won’t argue with you. This was put on by our Christian@FB group to host him here at Facebook and to hear from him. I have no bias because I don’t know either of you. There is no doubt at all. Chans model is the best model. ———————————————————— ————————————————————- – what Francis says is DEAD ON ACCURATE.-, Randy writes, You calling what Chan said a “lie” does not make it a lie.

They prayed for one another and worked together. This is Bible-Thumping Wingnut, not Pulpit and Pen. Or if it is secondhand referencing by a (self-named) bible thumping wingnut named fredmam blogging his derogatory remarks and personal feelings. “And it wasn’t until 500 years ago that someone popularized a thought that it’s just a symbol and nothing more. If you are saying that for a pastor to leave without having another church lined up is wrong that concerns me. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone. Cornerstone was never, nor is it now, a Laodacean church.

Thats what love requires – thinking the best of people, erring in their favour rather than against it (innocent until unequivocally proven guilty). He and his family traveled to India, Thailand and China before settling in San Francisco, where they started "We Are Church," a house church movement that has grown to 25 pastors. Particularly charitable toward the good people of Cornerstone Church against whom Francis lied when he told the the reason he left in 2010 and the reason he now tells a Facebook lecture group. He literally used the very words, no one was using their spiritual gifts. Amy, I loved reading your comments. ————————————————————

How are you so sure that you know God’s plan and direction for someone else’s life, AND how is it any of your business or fruitful at all to spend time publicly speculating on the topic? That is on Francis. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. If I was caught in a bold face public lie like Chan, I hope that someone would criticize me and show me how I was a liar so I could repent. First, I doubt seriously if I even attempted to contact him about my concern he would even pay me the least bit of attention.

So the churches are struggling in so many ways because they have become commercialized and wordly. This isnt charitable. 12:6). ©2020 FOX News Network, LLC. That does not mean the people there are spiritless bums not doing a thing for the Kingdom of God, and just hanging around to hear Francis. Highlighting a man’s very words and pointing out their falseness is not “showing FC as a Liar” it is pointing out the man’s OWN WORDS.

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