It was immediately clear (especially after reading this authors Saiga 12 review) that he didn’t want to like this gun. I have seen people complain about the S12 not cycling light target loads.
We test the gun exactly as it comes from the factory.
That’s what I thought. MSRP: $1,199 (Buds). I fire the magnum slugs, I don’t see how the safety is a problem, no sharp metal jutting out. Ratings are relative to all other similar firearms. I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. You simply can’t hold the shortcomings of the Saiga against the VEPR. This is the best shotgun for the money, a lot easier to reload than filling a tube magazine.
is 2ed probem if gun not part of the arreast or being stop they cant check it, u need be on radar of atf or fbi, , saying this stay in complace of the laws u wont have probems the law can be challenge and defeated makes no sence , ack upgrading the gun to usa parts can make gun more latheal don’t they even know this. Home / All Firearms / Non-Restricted Firearms / Shotguns.
Well I’m a good shot and either they will be dead or I will before I’m done with the six rounds.
Maybe a little break-in in some cases makes sense, but having to “fix” it — like replacing parts with aftermarket ones or polishing stuff, etc — before it cycles properly is not a good thing and nobody should expect that with any modern firearm.
If you’re thinking about home defense, that’s probably the best application I could think of for the gun. That’s no different than saying “I tested a Delton AR15 that jammed so this Daniel Defense AR15 is an inferior weapon to a Winchester 70.”. I’ve yet to see an XRAIL that actually works reliably.
I just bought a Vepr 12 a few weeks ago. Shh!
While I understand the concept, that’s not exactly the truth about the gun.
All ratings are relative compared to the other weapons in the gun’s category.
View cart for details. But I think that where a object/device is from shouldn’t count into your considerations when buying said item. How can you as a journalist allow personal bias against a COMPLETELY different firearm affect your opinion of this one?
I’d hate to be the test case, but it seems likely that if anything, the test case would likely be a “pretext” prosecution (i.e. Second if you want to shoot light loads you have to adjust the gas system and set it to pos. I bought a single VEPR 12 (for under $700 shipped btw) and its FLAWLESS.
Fixing in order to achieve basic function and modifying to improve/change function are totally different things. Modifications aren’t covered in reviews. Based on the design of the Kalashnikov, owning a Molot Vepr is like holding a piece of Russian history, one that is reinforced to last far into the future. It’s an improvement over the old Saiga-12, but I wouldn’t judge it being twice as good.
atf got so so bussy they got better things to do the strip down your gun see if compliant probe is they need I am familiar with their products for a quite a long time, but now they got a buttstock with adaptor once they have reason they check all your guns, but u have do ack break the law make atf see u, Then the question become: why have the rating system at all? Let alone write a review without reading the freaking owners manual?
I live in the shotgun only part of Michigan, and I’ve been using a saiga with an eotech for the last two years. I just cannot see how this can be dangerous. Let’s be honest, the importers aren’t sponsoring them. http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/02/01/the-saiga-12-saga/, I’m not gonna get into the whole “bias” argument….I would just like to point out that only AFTER reading the entire review, and well into the comments section did I see someone correct you on the fact there IS a manual bolt hold open on this particular weapon.
Other places I looked at wanted $1000-1200 for a new unconverted Saiga. I can see MAYBE using the VEPR 12 with a 20-round drum of Dragon’s Breath to fry the crippled bastard after I’ve tartar’d his @$$… but that’s just to make sure they don’t get up again like in a horror film.
$1200 is way too much. Check out our full stock of Molot products, everything from the Molot Vepr .308 20.5" Barrel Rifle to the Molot Vepr 12 Gauge Wood Thumbhole Stock Shotgun and the all new VPR-12-80 shotgun with the custom manufactured Zero Rise Muzzle Brake! That skeleton stock is actually a left hand folding that has been pinned open due to 922r. I’ve done similar things on my reviews.
It’s not like an AR-15 where you can manually set the bolt open without the magazine if that is what you are referring too. It’s pretty reasonable to expect a new gun to work (feed, fire, eject) as it comes out of the box. Bwahahahaaaaaa!!! About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast.
The VEPR-12 semi-automatic magazine fed shotgun from Molot seems designed to change the game.
That said, I’ll admit that in the reviews I have done I’ve tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. Yet I do not like the embargoes pertaining to Russia or China as it really only adversely effects respective citizens in both countries as well as the U.S..Now, transferring high-tech military type technology I get…. I don’t believe the 2nd is about home defense.
It actually works and is much easier to use. While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. So,wouldnt it be embarassing to be the 1st person to be done in by it? True the manual from I mash is terrible, but 10min on the s12 forums fixes that problem. Dang.
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It’s annoying and frustrating, and if this were my gun that would be the first thing to go.
Get yourself some higher capacity magazines and prop it by the bedroom door loaded with buckshot and you’re nearly guaranteed to kill whatever busts down your door.
VEPR-12 Shotgun.
Instead of the traditional stock there’s a skeletonized tubular stock and a pistol grip. The dreaded AK-47 *assault* shotgun, thankyouverymuch. It’s good in theory, but in practice it’s annoying and somewhat sharp.
Although the slide release is inside the trigger guard, you have to put your finger behind the trigger and push quite hard to release.
Bring the price down around $800 and we’ll talk.
The gun suffers from the same parallax issues that the Saiga had, since the sights are over an inch above the top of the barrel, and if you’re spending this kind of money on a dedicated trap or skeet gun there are much better suited choices out there. there’s no prosecution history of 922r at all.
Iron sights on the VEPR-12 work decently because they can be zeroed and give the shooter 2 aiming reference points. You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue. How much does a shotgun with that thing on it weigh, fully loaded? i would like to see an update to the review considering 800 is the new price….. +1 I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. best point this is ohio man was open carry a gun wich is leagle police detain him with out cause orther then the gun they found he can sue the state and police. Where is the best place to buy the vepr12.
Exactly what the second amendment is primarily for, to have a well regulated militia. My Turkish Hatsan's also required some work for (They are too bulky to be practical but lots of fun otherwise). There are some really nifty features on this gun, and it definitely is an improvement from the Saiga-12, but I’m running into the same problem that I ran into with the Saiga: what do you use it for? All AK variants are prohibited by the firearms act with the exception of the Valmet hunter. Sometimes those things find their ways into the wrong hands. I never beat my dogs downstairs though and it is over so fast I don’t get time to even fire one round. and yes they first need judge order or arrest u, there arrest found not sound leave them open to law sute – 32″/30″ $ 9,950.00 Add to cart; Caesar Guerini Summit Sporting 12ga. Dyspeptic Gunsmith can probably answer this better and more eloquently than I can. Also considered potential liability at trial. Instead of being a straight AK-style safety, Molot has added a flap that extends down near the pistol grip with the idea that you can then use your trigger finger to manipulate the safety. .